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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: SRTRAVLER on April 09, 2012, 05:00 am
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Im sure there have been other threads about this, so if you could point me to a link that would be great but if not I need some info from you guys if you know it.
I have herd of drugs beingconsifcated in mail and some people have had search warrants issued and their homes searched. I herd these where not in the USA also.
So my question is, is it possible to have a search warrant issued if mail with drugs are found with your name and address on it in the USA?
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No, all you have to do is demand no questioning till your lawyer is present. Give no alibi, no further words. Blank stare. Give them nothing.
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So, can I interpret what your saying as -"They can not get a search warrant, but they might knock on your door asking questions"
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I am pretty sure they can, because I remember reading that someone sent a huge package of pot to a mayor or governor and the cops raided his house and shot his dog.
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Someone I knew bought an airgun via mail and police turned up at his house cus his credit card showed he paid for it. They got warrant to seize his computer. And yea he went to jail.
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Someone I knew bought an airgun via mail and police turned up at his house cus his credit card showed he paid for it. They got warrant to seize his computer. And yea he went to jail.
airgun are illegal?
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Yup, in Berwyn Heights (Maryland) the mayor had his door kicked down and both of his dogs killed by the swat team when 32 lbs of pot was delivered to his home.
If you want to feel sick read up on it--basically two people were shipping drugs to people's houses through fed-ex, waiting outside whoever's home that they picked, and then grabbing the drug packages as soon as they were delivered before the home owner could get them. In this instance the mayor's wife brought the packages inside before the guys could pick them up, and it happened to be a package that had already been intercepted by the feds and they allowed delivery so that they could make a case.
The mayor had nothing to do with the drugs and was cleared of all charges, though he never received any apologies and the cops said that they'd do it again in a second.
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thats 32 pounds of pot. Do you think they would care about 5 grams of mdma
I have had stuff not arrive a few occasions from the netherlands, and im still here.
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Someone I knew bought an airgun via mail and police turned up at his house cus his credit card showed he paid for it. They got warrant to seize his computer. And yea he went to jail.
airgun are illegal?
Any part or equipment that represents parts of the gun in mail, is illegal and can be seized. Of course they will investigate first before knocking on your door.
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It's worth noting that what happens for 32 pounds might not be the same as what happens with a couple of grams...
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Someone I knew bought an airgun via mail and police turned up at his house cus his credit card showed he paid for it. They got warrant to seize his computer. And yea he went to jail.
airgun are illegal?
Any part or equipment that represents parts of the gun in mail, is illegal and can be seized. Of course they will investigate first before knocking on your door.
just because an airgun looks like a real gun does not make it illegal. They sell airguns in the store. I bought an airgun online legally.
Ur story is to vauge and makes no sense, im jus gonna say you dont know what your talking about.
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I've lost two 5 gram shipments and one 3 gram shipment, all from the same vendor from the NL to 2 different addresses and nothing happened.. Since then I've ordered many packages much larger in size and have had only success. So if the packages were intercepted, I wasn't flagged or marked in any way. However, it could have also been my luck that I was selectively-scammed by the vendor because screwing it up with two different addresses is pretty unlikely.
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I am sorry if this offends anyone,
I felt the need to say this though. so ill be quick.
Ordering ANYTHING from the Netherlands is just asking to have a search warrant executed on ur residence, 2 Times in the past 30 days i have read that Basically they don't even care about controlled drops anymore, they go str8 for you're house.
They don't mess around anymore with waiting at you're mailbox for you to pickup a gram of w/e. They seize the package, Use the package and drugs to secure a search warrant, and raid ur house.
Netherlands are #1 on customs country list. ANYTHING inbound from NL is automatically taken. From what i understand, Its a guilty till proven innocent kinda thing on anything inbound or outbound to NL.
So please be careful. Ordering from NL not only put you at risk, it also puts every other vendor who sends anything to you're house as risk, and anyone YOU send stuff to at risk.
Cheers
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Fucking paranoid stoners
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Fucking paranoid stoners
I hope your right
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I am sorry if this offends anyone,
I felt the need to say this though. so ill be quick.
Ordering ANYTHING from the Netherlands is just asking to have a search warrant executed on ur residence, 2 Times in the past 30 days i have read that Basically they don't even care about controlled drops anymore, they go str8 for you're house.
They don't mess around anymore with waiting at you're mailbox for you to pickup a gram of w/e. They seize the package, Use the package and drugs to secure a search warrant, and raid ur house.
Netherlands are #1 on customs country list. ANYTHING inbound from NL is automatically taken. From what i understand, Its a guilty till proven innocent kinda thing on anything inbound or outbound to NL.
So please be careful. Ordering from NL not only put you at risk, it also puts every other vendor who sends anything to you're house as risk, and anyone YOU send stuff to at risk.
Cheers
Fucking paranoid stoners
I hope your right
I don't think he is. I would imagine that Iran and Mexico are the only two countries that get more scrutiny from US customs than the Netherlands. I would love to order some of the goodies from NL vendors, but even with the best packaging I'm not comfortable with it.
As to your other question, will they come to your house for 5g, I would seriously doubt it. I could see them kicking your door in over 35 pounds but not 5 grams. LE has to ask itself if it's worth it financially to come to your house for a small personal amount. Unless you live across the street from the customs office, it probably isn't . I've never ordered anything in trafficking or distribution amounts, so I don't know what they do in that case, but I've had small amounts of pharms seized in the past and they only send the love letter. "No thanks, I don't think I'll come to Jersey to claim my 90 xanax."
I'm not so sure about these tales of search warrants, either. I'm terrified by the stories, but I'm not convinced they're real. Think about it, what good does that do? Unless the cops get lucky, they're just going to break your door down and be forced to let you go a few hours later. YOU were never in possession. If they don't find scales and remnants of the last shipment in your residence, they just tipped their hand and you can walk away free. No defense attorney in the country is going to let them stick you with a package you never signed for, never physically possessed, and that was never in your house. Now, if they were monitoring multiple shipments to the same location, this would make more sense.
Is there any more information about these two supposed raids? Were they of SR members for SR orders? Were they in the US? Coastal? Were they involved in other activity that might have brought LE attention? I agree that the Netherlands are a dangerous place to order from, but I'm not so sure USLE has completely changed their tactics. I think I would've heard if they suspended the Constitution.
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Just look at this youtube video of a guy getting his home raided by swat over a gram of weed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9itWfKNSNCE
This guy did no have shipments sent to his house, but he did get raided over a narcotics bust.
Watch this video and tell me they do not care about a 5 gram order =\
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They may have raided his house, but I gaurantee swat thought he had more than just a gram of weed in his house. It was either bad intelligence on swats part, or dude got lucky that all he happened to have in his house was a gram at the time they raided.
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In our town we had the cops call in the SWAT just because someone said another guy has made threats that if the cops try to catch him he will shoot them. So, just by word of mouth with no proof they had the SWAT team come from a bigger city....
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care to elaborate?
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I am sorry if this offends anyone,
I felt the need to say this though. so ill be quick.
Ordering ANYTHING from the Netherlands is just asking to have a search warrant executed on ur residence, 2 Times in the past 30 days i have read that Basically they don't even care about controlled drops anymore, they go str8 for you're house.
They don't mess around anymore with waiting at you're mailbox for you to pickup a gram of w/e. They seize the package, Use the package and drugs to secure a search warrant, and raid ur house.
Netherlands are #1 on customs country list. ANYTHING inbound from NL is automatically taken. From what i understand, Its a guilty till proven innocent kinda thing on anything inbound or outbound to NL.
So please be careful. Ordering from NL not only put you at risk, it also puts every other vendor who sends anything to you're house as risk, and anyone YOU send stuff to at risk.
Cheers
i take it you're in the US then? i'm in the UK and i've had pills, mandy, coke and smack delivered from NL and all got through no problems. the pills may have wella just been rattling around in the envelope as well, it weren't very stealth
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Just look at this youtube video of a guy getting his home raided by swat over a gram of weed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9itWfKNSNCE
This guy did no have shipments sent to his house, but he did get raided over a narcotics bust.
Watch this video and tell me they do not care about a 5 gram order =\
Like with the other 2 raids discussed earlier, I'd like to know what the extenuating circumstances were. They weren't at that guy's house because they heard he had a gram of weed. They don't bring out SWAT unless they suspect you have a firearm, ever. Was this guy dealing and they only caught him with a gram? Was he a violent felon on probation?
If you've got priors, then it's much easier to obtain a search warrant. If you've got prior violent felony arrests, they might bring SWAT along. It's just such a big hassle for US LE because it's usually customs that finds the stuff, meaning you have to coordinate across at least two different LE agencies in at least two states. The logistics of that process, by itself, make it pretty darn expensive to pull off and usually not worth it unless the amounts are sufficient that a serious charge can be made to stick. 5g might get you simple possession and probation. Is it really worth the time and effort to coordinate a multi-agency operation across state lines in order to nail somebody with two years of probation?
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I am pretty sure he was on probation, but still a SWAT team....
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I am pretty sure he was on probation, but still a SWAT team....
I'll bet you my pants it was for a violent crime. They were there for the guy and they brought SWAT in case he was armed, not because he had some weed. Usually when the cops in the US have had to deal with a person who has shown violent tendencies in the past, they don't give them the benefit of the doubt. They roll in with what they refer to as a "show of force" so that even the most violence-prone suspects are likely to give up without a fight.
I'm not saying it wasn't heavy handed, I'm saying it's unlikely that anyone here would get a visit like that unless they have a violent history. It's possible. I've been wrong before. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense for there to be a multi-agency operation that crosses state lines and involves the SWAT team over a small personal amount of anything. It's easier for them to just destroy it and send you this: http://www.drugbuyers.com/loveletter/ll.jpg
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the cops are screaming NARCOTICS SEARCH WARRANT , not VIOLENT CRIME SEARCH WARRANT =O
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I didn't receive a 2g order of weed from NL and I was a bit paranoid for a while, got rid of my drug paraphernalia and everything. After a few weeks of not getting raided I relaxed and thought "it's not like they're going to bother for a tiny amount of weed."
I was wrong however. After two months of making the order, I got a letter from the local police, asking me to appear for interrogations for a drug related crime. In the interrogation they showed me pictures of the letter with my name and address on it, the content of it and some mass spectrometer data confirming that the plant matter was indeed cannabis.
I naturally denied ordering anything and said it's either someone using my mailbox for getting drugs or someone is trying to frame me. I walked out after around 20 minutes of questioning. A month or so later I got a letter from the prosecutor saying that due to lack of evidence he will drop the case.
I know things are probably quite different in the USA and UK compared to Scandinavia (our police don't even need search warrants), but still I think a bit of paranoia over lost shipments is in order.
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Google "Columbia Missouri Police Department drug raid".
Apparently, the police had an eight day old warrant based on a tip that the guy was dealing weed. He had a previous federal drug conviction, and a "history of combative arrests" thus the SWAT. At least, that's what the police said at the time.
One article has the police chief quoted "I hate the internet". Heh.
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Encryption and deny everything.
Follow those and you SHOULD be safe. SR is still a risk.
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I too have had 2 different orders not show from the netherlands. Freaks me out for sure but my house is clean. I don't even have a bowl or bong. I NEVER have drugs at the house and my computer is fully encrypted.
Never got love letters either, and its been about 2 months. I'm not sure how long it takes them to send one though. I haven't ordered from NL since though and probably won't unless its to a different address.
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So my question is, is it possible to have a search warrant issued if mail with drugs are found with your name and address on it in the USA?
Absolutely this is possible. I don't want to make people more paranoid , but we also have to be realistic.
There are *numerous* examples of the cops raiding someone's house (aka. getting a search warrant) solely based upon a drug interception addressed to the house. This isn't always the case, and is going to depend on the judge and the circumstances, but it is certainly POSSIBLE for a judge to issue a search warrant, solely based on ONE intercepted package.
And there are cases where this has happened. Look over at the thread on "Federal Agencies Bust in USA".
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=18381.60
What we concluded as the most likely situation is that someone had a few seized 20g shipments from NL... this was enough to go look at the occupants bank accounts , figure out they had transfers to a BTC exchange, then raid the house a couple of months later, and charge the occupant with possession of whatever drugs were lying around. The mail charges were dropped due to insufficient evidence.
If I had two orders from the NL that never arrived -- I'm not gonna lie, I would move to a new house.
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I recently had two orders from NL to USA that never came. It's been about a month now, no word from either. Can anyone else confirm if they have actually just kept ordering to the same place regardless of lost shipments? I personally am done using the place and wouldn't think twice about considering to use it again.
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. Can anyone else confirm if they have actually just kept ordering to the same place regardless of lost shipments?
There are tons of people that do this (continue to use an address after 'lost' shipments). Just look in the NL vendor threads, you can find plenty of examples.
The question is not whether people do it or not, the question is instead whether it is a wise decision . I personally would not continue to use an address after Schedule I / II substances never showed up.
It's one thing if your erection pills or sleeping pills from India get seized, it's quite another to lose a package of MDMA. I would be very careful, because in my mind, seized packages from NL (or from anywhere outside the U.S. for that matter) are enough to get a search warrant.
I could definitely see the feds doing coordinated raids, where they raid 30 people who had seized packages from the NL, and do it all on the same day. That would be the sort of thing that would really put a damper on activity on the Silk Road. It's going to happen eventually, it's simply a question of when.
I mean, honestly, look at it realistically... Your package probably didn't get 'lost'. There are three possiblities overall, two that are much higher probability...
(1) The vendor was one of many selective scammers operating out of the NL who send out 1 in 5 packages, and simply collect 50% refund on the rest when they 'never arrive'. So nothing was ever send in the first place. This is more common than you think.
(2) The package was discovered by customs. The question is what are they going to do with it? They could be waiting. They could be doing an investigation. The could be planning coordinated raids. They could have added your address to a watch list. They could have decided it wasn't worth their time, and declined to pursue it further.
(3) The package was 'lost'. . . But this is unlikely. Mail doesn't get 'lost' that often unless the address is illegigible or wrong... it's way more likely for #1 or #2 to happen.
So given that it's #1 or #2 , only you can make a decision. But if I had a package from the NL that never made it, I certainly wouldn't order anything new to that address. I'd make sure the address was 'clean' and there was nothing incriminating or illegal there. And I'd probably considering moving to a new location.
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And there are cases where this has happened. Look over at the thread on "Federal Agencies Bust in USA".
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=18381.60
Believe in this case the OP stated that the cops also had proof of wire transfers, which they waved in his face during the raid. This suggests that the cops were not able to obtain a warrant based on the intercepted shipment(s) alone.
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And there are cases where this has happened. Look over at the thread on "Federal Agencies Bust in USA".
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=18381.60
Believe in this case the OP stated that the cops also had proof of wire transfers, which they waved in his face during the raid. This suggests that the cops were not able to obtain a warrant based on the intercepted shipment(s) alone.
and, pray tell, how did they gt those warrants first? They got a MUCH tougher warrant even BEFORE they got the search warrant... (bank records are very much protected)
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If cops kicked in the doors of people whose names were on packages that got seized for being drugs, then we could all get rid of our enemies by simply having drugs mailed to them with sloppy packaging.
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And there are cases where this has happened. Look over at the thread on "Federal Agencies Bust in USA".
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=18381.60
Believe in this case the OP stated that the cops also had proof of wire transfers, which they waved in his face during the raid. This suggests that the cops were not able to obtain a warrant based on the intercepted shipment(s) alone.
and, pray tell, how did they gt those warrants first? They got a MUCH tougher warrant even BEFORE they got the search warrant... (bank records are very much protected)
Okay, randomly, fair point. But if you're right, and a it's harder for cops to get a bank records warrant than it is to get a search warrant, then the question in the marsvolta12 incident is: How did the cops get the bank records? What information did they have on marsvolta12 that allowed them to get a warrant for bank records?
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. Can anyone else confirm if they have actually just kept ordering to the same place regardless of lost shipments?
There are tons of people that do this (continue to use an address after 'lost' shipments). Just look in the NL vendor threads, you can find plenty of examples.
The question is not whether people do it or not, the question is instead whether it is a wise decision . I personally would not continue to use an address after Schedule I / II substances never showed up.
It's one thing if your erection pills or sleeping pills from India get seized, it's quite another to lose a package of MDMA. I would be very careful, because in my mind, seized packages from NL (or from anywhere outside the U.S. for that matter) are enough to get a search warrant.
I could definitely see the feds doing coordinated raids, where they raid 30 people who had seized packages from the NL, and do it all on the same day. That would be the sort of thing that would really put a damper on activity on the Silk Road. It's going to happen eventually, it's simply a question of when.
I mean, honestly, look at it realistically... Your package probably didn't get 'lost'. There are three possiblities overall, two that are much higher probability...
(1) The vendor was one of many selective scammers operating out of the NL who send out 1 in 5 packages, and simply collect 50% refund on the rest when they 'never arrive'. So nothing was ever send in the first place. This is more common than you think.
(2) The package was discovered by customs. The question is what are they going to do with it? They could be waiting. They could be doing an investigation. The could be planning coordinated raids. They could have added your address to a watch list. They could have decided it wasn't worth their time, and declined to pursue it further.
(3) The package was 'lost'. . . But this is unlikely. Mail doesn't get 'lost' that often unless the address is illegigible or wrong... it's way more likely for #1 or #2 to happen.
So given that it's #1 or #2 , only you can make a decision. But if I had a package from the NL that never made it, I certainly wouldn't order anything new to that address. I'd make sure the address was 'clean' and there was nothing incriminating or illegal there. And I'd probably considering moving to a new location.
Thank you for that. Very informative, and good to know. :) I think greed can sometimes get us to push the envelope more than we'd like.
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if they seize it they won't kick your door down unless its a giant amount
they did it with the 32 lbs for the mayor because thats a lot of fuckin weed, probably anything over the pound range is starting to get risky
but really who would send 32 pounds through the mail... for that amount id pay some truck driver to transport it across state... honestly thats like over 50 grand right there all in one package
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I saw that raid video back awhile. It was in MO I believe. And the fucking pig fuckers shot the dudes dog. He ended saying on camera "why'd you shoot the dog? It's a good dog!"
Certain states are way more aggro than others. Cops have so much ego fueled self righteousness it makes me sick.
What about changing your address to another place? A postal annex box perhaps (which is a REAL address, not a PO), and have someone else as the name for the PO's info?
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No, all you have to do is demand no questioning till your lawyer is present. Give no alibi, no further words. Blank stare. Give them nothing.
+1 If only people followed this advice !!
They're gonna offer you the world, and then offer you the most pain in the world, it's how these fucks work to get you even more emotional in an already intense situation to either blurt out your own guilt, or something that will later conflict or in some other way hinder your testimony. No Doubt nailed it with their song DON'T SPEAK, cuz just ... DON'T SPEAK !!!!
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I operate on the theory--without paranoia--that it can happen to me, and be prepared. I have a little card with a bondsman's name on it, that I know is good, and available. I have a lawyer that helped me on something else--but who has talked to me a bit about this, and is very interested in this type of case, as he sees a lot of legal stuff, futuristic kind of shit...mostly you just need to remember not to talk to cops, as when you are frightened and tired and a cop offers you a cup of coffee and seems friendly,
Mostly the whole thing is not to panic, have some yoga exercises for the holding tank. Jail isn't that bad, you can deal with it. And as always, don't talk to the police. You don't have to be a dick about it...I'm always friendly and shit, I just want my attorney, an once they hear that, they usually let you be. It's just boring, sitting and waiting, but that won't kill you.
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These are exactly the reasons I keep nothing drug related in my house.
Yes, the cops are NOT supposed to automatically get a warrant because drugs show up in your mailbox. But they do, fact is, in the United States, with all the laws they are passing, we have no rights.
Need I say anymore than:
Patriot Act
NDAA
and CISPA that they are trying to pass now.
There are many other shady laws that are unheard of that snuck by the public. Sure these laws 'protect us' to a further extent but part of freedom and privacy is the freedom to protect ourselves.
Don't be scared, just be prepared for the worst...
If they can raid your house at the slightest hint, then don't have anything in your house that can get you in trouble. Simple.
Stash it in a van down the block in a locked box or something. Make the van so it can't start so nobody steals it and lock a box in there. Get what you need when you need.
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I am sorry if this offends anyone,
I felt the need to say this though. so ill be quick.
Ordering ANYTHING from the Netherlands is just asking to have a search warrant executed on ur residence, 2 Times in the past 30 days i have read that Basically they don't even care about controlled drops anymore, they go str8 for you're house.
They don't mess around anymore with waiting at you're mailbox for you to pickup a gram of w/e. They seize the package, Use the package and drugs to secure a search warrant, and raid ur house.
Netherlands are #1 on customs country list. ANYTHING inbound from NL is automatically taken. From what i understand, Its a guilty till proven innocent kinda thing on anything inbound or outbound to NL.
So please be careful. Ordering from NL not only put you at risk, it also puts every other vendor who sends anything to you're house as risk, and anyone YOU send stuff to at risk.
Cheers
Youre talking bullshit and youre misinforming people. If everything inbound from NL get automatically taken then my packs would never arrive and guess what, they do arrive. If you werent a vendor I would have written off your post as just healthy paranoia but now im just getting the feeling you cant really compete with the NL vendor prices ;)
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I had some Bing shipped from NL-U.K on the 8th and it still hasn't showed up and by Monday it'll be 8 days which is what the Vendors outside delivery date. It's only a cheeky gram but I'm gunna be pissed if it hasn't showed up by then and it's been snatched. I'm hoping to have it for Monday because I'm seeing some old friends on Weds. I'm going to clean house tomorrow night though just to be sure it's all good.
By the way Mitanox kudos on the orange dance sugar! Smashed it at Fabric this weekend and the stuff is off the chain. :D